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dave1510

Number of posts: 138 Registration date: 2008-10-30 Location: N.Wales
 | Subject: Installing 7 Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:51 pm | |
| I currently have a PC running Vista HP. The existing HDD is about 160Gb, but there is a recovery partition (Not visible), so only 140Gb is available. I have ordered a new SATA 750Gb Hard drive, and preordered a copy of Windows 7. I also have a copy of Acronis. This is what I'd LIKE to do... 1. Partition the new 750Gb drive into 2 x 200Gb, 2 x 100Gb Chunks & 1 at 150Gb! A. How do I partition this drive? 2. Clone ALL my existing drive (including the recovery bit) to one of the new Partitions (150Gb) 3. Load Windows 7 onto one of the new Partitions (100Gb) 4. Create a Dual Boot so I can choose which OS I can boot to. I really don't know if any or all off this is possible, but I really need some SIMPLE step by step instructions... PLEASE Thanks - Dave  |
|  | | accordion Admin

Number of posts: 365 Registration date: 2008-10-13 Location: Near Bedford
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:54 am | |
| This should cover all you need Dave: http://www.techspot.com/guides/143-dual-boot-windows7/Quick way to get to Disk Management is to right-click on My Computer and then select Manage. Once in Disk Management, it's easy to create partitions and format them on a new drive. _________________  I realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat.  |
|  | | mgmcc Admin

Number of posts: 435 Registration date: 2008-10-13 Location: Dundee, Scotland
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:02 am | |
| What I think you need to do is to install the new drive and use Vista's Disk management ("Start > Run", type diskmgmt.msc and click OK) to create a single partition of 150GB. Then clone your existing hard drive into that partition so that it is in the first partition on the disk. You then need to make that disk the one from which Vista boots. Unfortunately, I have no experience of SATA drives - with IDE drives, you'd swap them over, but I don't know what you do with SATA ones, you may have to alter the boot sequence in the BIOS, unless you're physically removing the current drive. Once you are running the new drive, you'll have a 150GB partition and the rest is "Unallocated Space". Run the installation of Windows 7 into the Unallocated Space, setting its partition size to 100GB as you do it. It will recognise that Vista is already installed and create the necessary boot menu. Once Windows 7 is installed, you can use Disk Management (in either OS) to create an "Extended Partition" of 500GB within the remaining Unallocated Space and, in the Extended Partition, create Logical Drives of 200GB, 200GB & 100GB. _________________ Mike
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|  | | dave1510

Number of posts: 138 Registration date: 2008-10-30 Location: N.Wales
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:15 pm | |
| | accordion wrote: | This should cover all you need Dave:
http://www.techspot.com/guides/143-dual-boot-windows7/
Quick way to get to Disk Management is to right-click on My Computer and then select Manage. Once in Disk Management, it's easy to create partitions and format them on a new drive. |
Thanks Dave - I've had a quick look at the link, but will give it more attention when I do the job... 
| mgmcc wrote: | What I think you need to do is to install the new drive and use Vista's Disk management ("Start > Run", type diskmgmt.msc and click OK) to create a single partition of 150GB. Then clone your existing hard drive into that partition so that it is in the first partition on the disk.
You then need to make that disk the one from which Vista boots. Unfortunately, I have no experience of SATA drives - with IDE drives, you'd swap them over, but I don't know what you do with SATA ones, you may have to alter the boot sequence in the BIOS, unless you're physically removing the current drive.
Once you are running the new drive, you'll have a 150GB partition and the rest is "Unallocated Space". Run the installation of Windows 7 into the Unallocated Space, setting its partition size to 100GB as you do it. It will recognise that Vista is already installed and create the necessary boot menu.
Once Windows 7 is installed, you can use Disk Management (in either OS) to create an "Extended Partition" of 500GB within the remaining Unallocated Space and, in the Extended Partition, create Logical Drives of 200GB, 200GB & 100GB. |
Right,
I now have the disc, and will set it up in the PC, and use Disk management to create the 150Gb Partition for the clone.
Then I will clone the existing drive - That maybe where I come unstuck as I have never done that before. Is Acronis easy to use to do this? Is there anything I need to be aware of? I want to clone the recovery partition as well. I will be testing Vista on the new drive for a while before scrubbing the old drive and probably using it for Document backups.
The rest can wait until I get Windows 7 
Thanks - Dave  |
|  | | mgmcc Admin

Number of posts: 435 Registration date: 2008-10-13 Location: Dundee, Scotland
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:54 pm | |
| I've just tried the "Clone" option in Acronis and it seems to want to delete all existing partitions on the destination disk. You may have to go along with this and then look at creating the partition structure you want after completing the clone procedure. _________________ Mike
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|  | | dave1510

Number of posts: 138 Registration date: 2008-10-30 Location: N.Wales
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:40 pm | |
| | mgmcc wrote: | | I've just tried the "Clone" option in Acronis and it seems to want to delete all existing partitions on the destination disk. You may have to go along with this and then look at creating the partition structure you want after completing the clone procedure. |
If I could get this far, I would be happy, but I have installed the Hard drive, and although the BIOS sees it, Vista will not.
It appears in the BIOS as a second SATA drive. The drive size etc is correct, and I can even set the Boot priority to the new drive! In spite of saving the settings on Exit, as soon as the Computer Boots to the desktop, a peek in "Computer" shows no new drive. I assume that I have to Format it, but If I cant see it, How can I format it. If I do format it shouldf it be NTFS?
Thanks
Dave  |
|  | | mgmcc Admin

Number of posts: 435 Registration date: 2008-10-13 Location: Dundee, Scotland
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:57 pm | |
| It won't appear in "Computer" if it hasn't been Partitioned and given a Drive Letter (it doesn't need to be formatted). If you go into Disk Management ("Start > Run", type diskmgmt.msc and click OK), the drive should appear and right clicking it will show the available options. However, rather than Vista seeing it, can Acronis see the "raw" drive, because that's all you actually need. _________________ Mike
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|  | | dave1510

Number of posts: 138 Registration date: 2008-10-30 Location: N.Wales
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:16 pm | |
| | mgmcc wrote: | It won't appear in "Computer" if it hasn't been Partitioned and given a Drive Letter (it doesn't need to be formatted).
If you go into Disk Management ("Start > Run", type diskmgmt.msc and click OK), the drive should appear and right clicking it will show the available options.
However, rather than Vista seeing it, can Acronis see the "raw" drive, because that's all you actually need. |
Vista sees the disk in Disk Management, but - as you say - Acronis is the one that needs to see it, and... fortunatly - it does! I opened the program, selected Disk Utilities, and "Add New Disc", and it shows as "Unallocated" and a long green bar.
What happens next, I assume is that I select "Clone Disc"? and will it then sort out the partitions, and drive letters?
However, I'm not sure how I can create partitions and assign drive letters otherwise. but as you said it may scrub all of them anyway? when it clones the current C drive.
More tomorrow when it's the right end of the day!
Thanks - Dave  |
|  | | mgmcc Admin

Number of posts: 435 Registration date: 2008-10-13 Location: Dundee, Scotland
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:12 pm | |
| Select the "Clone Disk" option rather than "Add New Disk" and it should create an exact copy of the existing disk, including its partition structure with the hidden recovery partition. In doing this, it would delete any partitions that you had created, so you are as well to leave the drive unpartitioned. _________________ Mike
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|  | | oldfogy

Number of posts: 376 Registration date: 2008-10-14 Location: Birmingham UK
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:36 am | |
| Sorry it's a quicky, but you need to "Initialize" the disc first, as mentioned on the CA site (with tutorial) _________________ If it ain't broke. Don't fix it.
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|  | | dave1510

Number of posts: 138 Registration date: 2008-10-30 Location: N.Wales
 | |  | | dave1510

Number of posts: 138 Registration date: 2008-10-30 Location: N.Wales
 | |  | | mgmcc Admin

Number of posts: 435 Registration date: 2008-10-13 Location: Dundee, Scotland
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:23 am | |
| As the cloning procedure will remove any existing partition structure on the destination drive, I don't understand the need to "initialise" the drive before proceeding, although this should be done if restoring an Acronis backup to a new drive as opposed to "cloning". At what point have you come unstuck? _________________ Mike
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|  | | mgmcc Admin

Number of posts: 435 Registration date: 2008-10-13 Location: Dundee, Scotland
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:29 am | |
| Our messages "crossed in the post"!  The diagram shows that, after cloning, you will have the hidden partition and your "C" drive partition on the new drive. The remaining space on the drive is Unallocated and can be partitioned later using Windows' Disk Management. _________________ Mike
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|  | | dave1510

Number of posts: 138 Registration date: 2008-10-30 Location: N.Wales
 | Subject: Re: Installing 7 Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:59 am | |
| Hi Mike, I came unstuck on initialising as per OF's link - http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=5708.0#newHowever, Acronis seems to have it in hand. Now you have re-assured me re the unallocated issue, I'll go ahead and clone to see what happens... Dave  |
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